Grim Reaper Inspires Timvining To Give Generously To G20 Legal Defense Fund - NOT HONOURED

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Grim Reaper Inspires Timvining To Give Generously To G20 Legal Defense Fund - NOT HONOURED

NOT HONOURED! $100 plus $20 per posting by Grim Reaper pledged by Timvining

Timvining did not honour his pledge.

Timvining, another poster on Toronto Media Co-op, has pledged to donate $100 plus $20 for each of my posts this week and asked others to do the same. If you want to help, you may, yourself, donate equally or, alternatively, if you are not able to donate directly, you can by replying to this post and I will try to respond to each one so that timvining will give more, $20 for each of my posts this week on our behalf. This post counts as another posting for timvining to donate $20, give generously.

http://toronto.mediacoop.ca/story/statement-southern-ontario-anarchist-r... " >> reply Thu, 07/08/2010 - 13:27 — timvining The more I read the comments The more I read the comments from Grim Reaper, the more I realize SOAR is right on target! When someone as venemous as Grim Reaper makes judgements about a group and people he knows so little about, this proves that SOAR is on to something... Grim Reaper convinced me today to send another $100 to the Legal Defense Fund. Hell, I am going to send $20 for each of his posts this week and encourage others to do the same! .>>

reply Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:03 — dawn he he he! that's awesome! he he he! that's awesome! could get expensive though ;) .>>

reply Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:28 — Grim Reaper I love it! I support the I love it! I support the Legal Defense Fund too. I am very pleased that I've inspired you to generously donate to that organization on my behalf, especially now, when so many need their assistance. Since you are going to send $20 for each of my posts this week, here's another one for you to donate $20 for. Your pledge is inspiring me to write many, many, many, more posts this week to cause you to give more. I hope your "encourage others to do the same!" has inspired others to give as you have pledged. Talk is cheap as are pledges when they aren't honoured, you'd better put your money where your mouth is otherwise you're a liar; not nice but the truth. You can prove that you honoured your pledge by posting your donation receipt(s) on this site. .>> edit>>

reply Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:25 — Grim Reaper timvining, in case you don't timvining, in case you don't know, here's how you can actually donate the money to the G20 Legal Defense Fund. BTW, this counts for another $20 donation.

To donate via PayPal go to: g20.torontomobilize.org (link is on right hand side). Make sure to put 'G20 legal defence' in the "Add special instructions for the Merchant" section.

Transfer funds or send a cheque c/o OPIRG York: transit number 00646 institution number 842 account number 3542240 Cheques (payable to OPIRG York, with 'G20 legal defence' on the subject line) can be mailed to: Toronto Community Mobilization Network 360A Bloor Street W PO Box 68557 Toronto, ON M5S 1X0 "

The whole post where the reply text quoted above came from is at: http://toronto.mediacoop.ca/story/statement-southern-ontario-anarchist-r...

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So far, it appears that no

Submitted by Grim Reaper on Fri, 07/09/2010 - 12:28.

So far, it appears that no one else wants to help timvining to increase his donations to the G20 Legal Defense Fund by posting comments here for me to reply to. That says a lot about others' lack of committment to their financial support for the G20 Legal Defense Fund even though it will cost you nothing, it only costs timvining money due to his generous pledge of $20 for each of my posts this week, " This can get really expensive but it is going to a worthy cause!".

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Submitted by Toronto Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 07/09/2010 - 13:56.

While I am all for raising funds for legal defense, and think it is a good idea to promote the available methods by which to contribute, I find it unfortunate that this is being done in what seems like a backhanded way.

it seems from the whole list of comments on the linked post, many people seem to have a problem with grims posts. that in itsel fdoesn't matter as its possible all those people are at fault. however, it does mean that the context of this post comes from and seems even to incite, by directly naming others, a kind of 'blog feud' on the media co-op.

given the medium, these kind of things are unavoidable, so i am not so naive to think that all such things be removed or censored. however, I do come to this site to read relavent news that i can't find so easliy in other places and I find it distracting and sad to see posts like this one among the front pages.

please keep the pettiness to the comments section.

but please leave up the encouragement and methods to pay toward our friends unjustly held by the state.

thanks for your time,

thanks for your comment

Submitted by dawn on Fri, 07/09/2010 - 17:00.

I agree.

To begin with, there are

Submitted by Grim Reaper on Sat, 07/10/2010 - 18:08.

To begin with, there are plenty of comments on the various Media Co-op sites which specifically name others, some of whom have registered with the Media Co-op in their own name or a pseudonym. Interestingly, many of the people making those and other comments aren't registered and are collectively known as Toronto or Vancouver or Halifax Anonymous which is no identity at all. Others, like me, use a pseudonym because we are more cautious about revealing our names. Even though I use a pseudonym on this website, it is unique and specifically identifies my comments as mine. I don't have gauranteed anonymity because I registered with my real name which can be discovered by anyone with access to the Media Co-op database. timvining, if that is his actual name, has provided his real identity, which, fortunately or unfortunately, is used when he posts. Using his own name was his decision and I am certain he knew the potential for its use.

Further, this topic is not a "blog feud" with timvining. In one of his other topic reply posts, copied above, he made a pledge to donate money to the G20 Legal Defence Fund and invited others to donate in the same way. I know that comment was a criticism of me, as were his others but, nevertheless, he did make a pledge to donate $100 and $20 for each of my posts this week to the G20 Legal Defense Fund and he invited others to do the same "Grim Reaper convinced me today to send another $100 to the Legal Defense Fund. Hell, I am going to send $20 for each of his posts this week and encourage others to do the same!.". After he made his pledge and I posted another reply to one of his, he reiterated that pledge in his reply "another $20 for the Legal Defense Fund
oops, I have to send the LDF another $20 (see my comments below). This can get really expensive but it is going to a worthy cause!"

I did not ask for timvining to make that pledge but, since he did, and I am the motivation for it, I think I am entitled to help him increase the amount of his donation by broadcasting that pledge in a "headline" post, as he wants others to know about it and join him "Hell, I am going to send $20 for each of his posts this week and encourage others to do the same!" I commend timvining for making his pledge and, as it was voluntary, he should be held accountable for honouring it and that also requires his identity, which he provided, to be used.

Today, someone I spoke to about this said that, although timvining doesn't agree with me, I motivated him to pledge $100 outright plus $20 for each of my posts this week and that's probably the only positive outcome, so far, of the G20 fiasco. Think of that!

hi grim, i wrote the note

Submitted by Toronto Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 07/10/2010 - 18:10.

hi grim,

i wrote the note asking for this post to be edited/removed.

i am well aware, as you wrote too, and as i originally wrote as well, "there are plenty of comments on the various Media Co-op sites which specifically name others." Yes, comments. My concern was not with comments, that was explicit. My uncomfort came from the feeling that you are taking an obvious joke too far and entangling it with serious issues, shamelessly turning your own personal conversations into news headlines. you are not "entitled" to broadcast these shinanigans at yoru will.

it would be very helpful if you posted the information for donations, and encouraged others to do so: but why drag in this childish drama?

"Think of that!": I think that's petty. Rather offensive too, given all the massive amounts of work, claiming, even as a joke, that this scheme of yours is the "only positive outcome" of the G20.

Since posting I've seen your comments all over this site. I suppose you'll have to have the last word here too.

Go ahead.

Your comment, "Since posting

Submitted by Grim Reaper on Sun, 07/11/2010 - 13:03.

Regarding your comment, "Since posting I've seen your comments all over this site. I suppose you'll have to have the last word here too." I see that you are identified as Toronto Anonymous, whose comments/posts are indistinguishable from the others who also identify as Toronto Anonymous. At least I use a pseudonym so that my comments are attributable making it easy to determine which comments are mine. You don't even have the integrity to do that.

Regarding your comment "...you are taking an obvious joke too far..." Making a pledge to financially support the G20 Legal Defense Fund, for whatever reason, is no joke. As I stated, " Talk is cheap as are pledges when they aren't honoured, you'd better put your money where your mouth is otherwise you're a liar; not nice but the truth." Excusing timvining from honouring that pledge is just cheap talk too, worth nothing. One potentially positive outcome of your worthless rhetoric is that, if timvining actually honours his pledge, you will have assisted in financially supporting the G20 Legal Defense Fund through him. If you don't want him to honour his pledge, then you can make those unfulfilled pledge donations to the G20 Legal Defense Fund for the number of postings of replies I've made to your comments during the past week.

Your request, in a previous reply/comment of yours in this topic, for deletion of my "headline" post and your comment " you are not "entitled" to broadcast these shinanigans at yoru will." indicate that you don't believe in freedom of speech. I believe in freedom of speech and it appears the Toronto Media Co-op does too because your censorship request wasn't fulfilled. But, since you advocate censorship for undesirable posts, I propose that the censorship you advocate should apply to your comments because, through them, you have initiated a "blog feud" and have also encouraged timvining not to honour his pledge thereby reducing financial support for the G20 Legal Defense Fund. Put up or shut up!

I sent my cheque

Submitted by timvining on Sun, 07/11/2010 - 15:55.

My only comment on Grim`s silly antics is to say that I have already sent a cheque for the legal defense of an activist associated with No One Is Illegal, an organization that clearly supports a diversity of tactics. I gave more than $20 for each of Grim`s postings but do not have the time or desire to continue posting responses to his lunacy. Neither did I make a copy of the cheque to "prove" anything to this loser. So, I am back to work and will continue to support organizations like TCMN and NOII with pride! Peace, everyone!
(Grim, no need to respond to me since I will not likely notice it. I have very little time to devote to internet discussions that go nowhere. Too much organizing needs to happen...)

If there is any lunacy, it is

Submitted by Grim Reaper on Tue, 07/13/2010 - 11:01.

If there is any lunacy, it is solely yours. You foolishly made that pledge which, evidently, you had no intention of honouring.
Your claim that you made any donations to any group, organization, etc., is a load of B.S. There's no proof of your honouring your pledge and, even if you did, you didn't submit it to the G20 Legal Defence Fund as you stated you would. It's no joke to commit to helping a specific group then reneging on that committment. Consequently, you are the actual loser, a pathetic one, for the dishonour of making an insincere and frivolous pledge. As far as I am concerned, your talk/posts are just a lot of meaningless rhetoric worth nothing and you are a self-conceited braggart and untrustworthy just like the politicians, police, etc.

If you're Tim Vining, the social activist, former executive director of the pacifist Garfield social-justice organization The Thomas Merton Center in Pittsburgh, http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org/, who moved to Canada and who made the statement, " The level of violence in this country I'm getting more and more concerned about.", copied below, in a July 28, 2005 interview in the Pittsburgh City Paper, then your support for SOAR and their violent and destructive actions is absolutely hypocritical. I also question the truthfullness of your assertion that you've come to Canada to "continue the resistance to pressure from the U.S. to destroy the [Canadian] social safety net.". I think you really came here to take advantage of it.

Interview of Tim Vining, July 28, 2005, in the Pittsburgh City Paper:

(Interviewer)
"You've applied for residency in Canada.

(Tim Vining)
Steve and I have lived with homeless guys and committed to voluntary poverty. I've done that because I believe where you stand is what you see. Partly [the choice of Canada was prompted by] U.S. imperialism. But I don't want to grow old in this country as a gay couple, especially a poor gay couple. The level of violence in this country I'm getting more and more concerned about. The silence of the churches in this country scares the hell out of me. It's most important to continue the resistance to pressure from the U.S. to destroy the [Canadian] social safety net.".
http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A29632

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Submitted by Toronto Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 07/14/2010 - 02:06.

Tim did in fact honor his pledge for legal defense. This is far more than you have done Grim Reaper. Get a life.

You haven't got a clue about

Submitted by Grim Reaper on Wed, 07/14/2010 - 10:26.

You haven't got a clue about what I've done, I don't brag about it as Tim Vining does. As well, there's no proof he made the donation he claims. Maybe you're Tim Vining posting as "Toronto Anonymous"?

grim reaper is an idiot

Submitted by Vancouver Autonomist (not verified) on Wed, 07/14/2010 - 21:16.

the toronto media coop should find a way of blocking this idiot 'grim reaper' starting first with his ip address. the media coop's in general should be more closely supervising idiots like this and limiting stupid posts so the rest of us don't have to read them.

One of the most important, if

Submitted by Grim Reaper on Sat, 07/17/2010 - 17:08.

I perceive, from what you've stated, that, if you were in power as the 'head of state', you would silence anyone you disliked and even with extreme prejudice.

One of the most important, if not the most important, functions of the alternative media is freedom of speech to enable all viewpoints to be expressed because the traditional media doesn't facilitate or allow it. But, if the Media Coop does implement censorship, which will transform it from alternative media into traditional media, that censorship should be directed against you.

i don't like all this freedom

Submitted by derek mann (not verified) on Sun, 07/18/2010 - 00:28.

i don't like all this freedom of speech talk - i don't care about free speech, i don't want to be able to sat anything: i want to say what is true and good, nothing else. there are things that should be censored. is that so scary to say?

Truth can only be determined

Submitted by Grim Reaper on Sat, 07/24/2010 - 18:58.

Truth can only be determined if there's freedom of speech because, without it, the truth may missing or incomplete. I do agree that there are specific reasons, such as racism, spreading false news, Holocaust denial, for censorship but they are few. Generally, censorship is dangerous because of the censor's agenda - who's interests does the censor represent? It often occurs that the so-called truth is actually propaganda. Freedom of speech enables all information to be freely expressed which we may access and examine to determine the truth or get as close to it as we are able to.

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